In-Game: Joe Cool to the Rescue?

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The Nationals send Joe Ross to the hill for his 12th start against Cardinal’s Left-handed prospect Marco Gonzalez. The originally scheduled pitcher was Carlos Martinez. But, he was scratched with a sore neck.

Ross and his 3.24 ERA compares favorably to Martinez who had 10 MLB appearances last year, pitching to a 4.15 ERA. Neither of the teams has a single player that has faced the opposing pitcher. Look for the second time through the lineup to be all-important tonight. The San Francisco Giants were completely throttled during Ross’ first time through. The second time turned the experience into a “Tale of Two Cities.” That knife will cut both ways tonight.

Speaking of Ross, Matt Williams is hinting that he might not be shut down on an innings limit after all. “It’s an interesting scenario because he hasn’t been hurt. It’s not like he has had an injury and we are cautious in that regard,” Williams said. “It’s uncharted territory because he hasn’t [pitched a lot of innings]. But looking how he has gone about it, all indications are that he is fine.” The determining factor may well be whether the Nats are still relevant in the Division race later in the month.

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  1. manassasnatsfan says:

    What did he mean Joe couldn’t grip the ball? Nerve damage or what.

    Phan the 0-2 to a walk was a killer. He was wrong none of the 4 balls were close to a strike. Right handed dribblings.

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  2. manassasnatsfan says:

    Listening to MW I don’t hear someone who is as pissed as me.

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  3. scmargenau says:

    “Absolutely horrible” as Charlie says.

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  4. stoatva says:

    I will defend our guys against any and all accusations of quitting. But choking? That shoe fits quite a few of the boys.

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  5. Section 222 says:

    Heckuva two days for Casey Janssen. MMN is 25.

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  6. veejh says:

    good night. i’m so mad right now. fire MW right now.

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  7. stoatva says:

    At least it wasn’t a cheapie.

    Curtains, kids. Curtains.

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  8. stoatva says:

    So much for the notion that only our guys foul back hangers.

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  9. Casey Janssen flirting with fire.

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  10. manassasnatsfan says:

    Get the first two outs than we fart around.

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  11. stoatva says:

    Cards announcers said that when the ball was bunted the Nats (not sure who?) were yelling “Three! Three! Three!” to Drew. So not on him. “You could hear it up here” they said.

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  12. manassasnatsfan says:

    Since the All Star game our pitching has been suspect.

    Our hitters not great, but I think a lot better than the pitchers.

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  13. Joe Ross goes 3 innings and this is why Rizzo needed to worry about the Nats instead of AAA. Could have used Rafael Martin and Matt Grace, etc.

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  14. stoatva says:

    Okay, it’s Casey’s turn for a bounce back.

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  15. Escobar needs to get a hit here to pick up his team for his poor defense.

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  16. manassasnatsfan says:

    Out by a frame.

    They never over turn one frame outs before so why now?

    Because NY finally got it right.

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  17. veejh says:

    If Escobar gets the go ahead RBI, I’ll take it all back.

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  18. manassasnatsfan says:

    Out by a frame.

    They never over turn one frame outs before so why now?

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  19. stoatva says:

    This ones overturned. Exact opposite of Janssen last night.

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  20. Storen actually gets charged with a Blown Save for that appearance.

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  21. stoatva says:

    Should have had Espinosa on second, Rendon third and den Dekker in left for the eighth. Everyone knows that.

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  22. manassasnatsfan says:

    MW has had problem this season , but tonight the players have failed not MW.

    Storen total nelt down again. This is getting old.

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  23. nats128 says:

    This is on Storen. Lousy pitch to Pham then he hits Moss in a 2 strike count then his throwing error. Talk about a guy who can’t get it done against the Cardinals or is there another reasoning.

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  24. Section 222 says:

    Really nice play Bryce!

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  25. texnat1 says:

    Nice play by Harper.

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  26. Section 222 says:

    Um, hello Carp. Rosenthal will pitch in a tie game too. He’s at home, remember?

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  27. manassasnatsfan says:

    MW has had problem this season , but tonight the players have failed not MW.

    Storen total nelt down again.

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  28. stoatva says:

    Peralta. Well of course.

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  29. veejh says:

    Once again, MW asleep at the wheel with ZERO defensive subs.

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  30. Section 222 says:

    Ooof!

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  31. manassasnatsfan says:

    No way he may he be out at second. Why throw it to third. Get the out.

    One thing MW promised was better fielding. We have not had it.

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  32. stoatva says:

    That’s why you have Rendon on third for the eighth inning. Isn’t it, Matt?

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  33. Couldn’t Escobar catch that? Here we go again. Storen melts down quickly.

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  34. veejh says:

    MW is a doofus.

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  35. veejh says:

    Why? Why? Why? Why? Whhhhhhyyyyyyyyy?

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  36. manassasnatsfan says:

    WTF Drew 1-2 count and you nibble and hit is uniform. Just pitch strikes.

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  37. stoatva says:

    Need to get Papelbon up. NOW!

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  38. manassasnatsfan says:

    Storen can’t make it easy can he?

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  39. nats128 says:

    Awful pitch by Storen to Pham. Leaves it hanging and he smashes it up the middle.

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  40. Section 222 says:

    It’s not too much to expect MW to make the right move. But to expect him to also make it at the right time? That’s a bridge too far.

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  41. stoatva says:

    No sweat Drew. Kozma’a already burnt.

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  42. If you have Difo on the bench you run for Ramos and CRob any time they’re on base from the 7th inning on.

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  43. manassasnatsfan says:

    That is lightning from Turner.

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  44. Section 222 says:

    Oh my goodness Trea.

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  45. veejh says:

    Turner gonna a potent weapon in years to come when he plays daily. HIts for power, average, and lightning fast? Wowsers.

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  46. stoatva says:

    There you go. Who says Matt can’t learn?

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  47. nats128 says:

    Everyone here thinks the same thing. MW does not care what anyone here thinks.

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  48. Ramos is 3-4 on the night. I would have Trea Turner in there in a pinch.

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  49. stoatva says:

    No runner for Ramos until he gets to second, if I recall that page from Matt’s September book correctly.

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  50. Gonats says:

    Talking about substitutions, now you definitely pull Ramos for Trea Turner. Come on MW. No reason not to.

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  51. stoatva says:

    Very, very nice bounce back, Felipe.
    Let’s get another run.

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  52. veejh says:

    That catch was amazing for Werth. LOL!

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  53. nats128 says:

    Werth catches that ball in his tracks. Isn’t that the time of the game to put in Den Dekker for Defense

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  54. veejh says:

    Now would be an appropriate time to sub in den Dekker for Werth and shift Rendon to 3rd and put Espi at 2nd.

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  55. manassasnatsfan says:

    Ray hates ks. Just like I say it is a wasted at bat.

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  56. stoatva says:

    Three cheers for not hitting the ball hard!

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  57. Huge add-on run and now 2 runs in scoring position with no force. Need some 2 out magic by Desi.

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  58. natslive says:

    Let’s take advantage here

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  59. stoatva says:

    This is most un-Cardinals-like.

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  60. Section 222 says:

    Bryce doesn’t always hustle to first, but he did there and that’s what counts. Well done.

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  61. veejh says:

    don’t hurt yourself, Bryce. dayum

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  62. manassasnatsfan says:

    Neighborhood play should be eliminated as soon as possible.

    MLB enforces the neighborhood play.

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    • Section 222 says:

      For once we agree MNF. The neighborhood play is stupid.

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      • stoatva says:

        Of course it’s there to keep middle infielders from getting shredded but sometimes it’s ridiculous.

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        • Section 222 says:

          I know the purpose, but I really believe that not every grounder with a man on first deserves to be a double play. If you really don’t have time to avoid contact, maybe just take the force play. The idea of giving an out when no out was actually made really bugs me. Why require a catcher to tag the runner at home? Let him avoid injury and just go by whether the throw beat the runner.

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  63. veejh says:

    Need a cushion run or 2. Let’s go.

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  64. veejh says:

    Treinen comes up big in high lev spot. More of that plz.

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  65. natslive says:

    DP!

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  66. Treinen picks up Esco/Ramos

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  67. stoatva says:

    Holy smoke.

    Unfortunately that’s the sort of thing that tends to get Treinen unhinged.

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  68. stoatva says:

    14-8 final. Phillies win. Six back.

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  69. natslive says:

    Nice play Anthony

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  70. natslive says:

    Not a good throw but Escobar should have picked it. Lack of fundamentals should have taken out at first

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  71. Section 222 says:

    Not that hard a play with a good throw. But it wasn’t. Plain and simple.

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  72. manassasnatsfan says:

    Let’s see what the Cards do. Lead off double

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  73. stoatva says:

    Maybe Matt had his reasons for not going to Thornton and Rivero last night?

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  74. stoatva says:

    MNF, there are some interesting team stats here, though not precisely what you’re looking for.
    http://espn.go.com/mlb/stats/team/_/stat/batting/split/39
    I often have to rethink my impressions in the light of the actual numbers.

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  75. stoatva says:

    I’ve decided to blame Ray this evening.

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  76. stoatva says:

    All right, Dougie.

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  77. manassasnatsfan says:

    Had the tag been about 3 inches to the right, he was probably out.

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  78. natslive says:

    Bryce did his job now we need someone to drive him in

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  79. manassasnatsfan says:

    I wish we would quit swing at sliders outside. Lots of batters do it, we have just a bigger percentage it seems.

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  80. manassasnatsfan says:

    Back from being out of town.

    Last night Janssen just list it. Tonight Ross just loses it. None of that is MW’s fault.

    The pitchers are responsible for doing their job.

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    • manassasnatsfan says:

      List =lost.

      When we going to get an edit button. I need it badly.

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    • natslive says:

      Agreed they have a job to do but if they aren’t doing then it is MWs job to get someone in there sooner rather than later at this point in the season.

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    • needanatsfix says:

      I agree, but shouldn’t you get somebody warming up pretty quickly when a pitcher is starting to lose it in the 3rd inning of a game in early September and you are trailing the Mets by 6.5 games and your offense just put up four runs and knocked out the other starter. It is on the players, but by not getting someone up and stretching when he was missing the strike zone by a foot leaves at least a little blame on MW.

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      • manassasnatsfan says:

        He got him up fast . I am not sure how you would have a bull pen left if you got a reliever up after 2 men reach base every time. Once the third one on he was up.

        That to me is reasonable.

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        • needanatsfix says:

          Normally I would agree with you, let your starters work out of jams and don’t overuse your bullpen. But I propose this is different for three reasons.

          First, Ross had already put three men on (one had scored) before Fister got up to start stretching. Normally, not a big issue. But he was not just nibbling corners and walking guys, he was missing the strike zone by a wide margin. He also had thrown a first pitch ball to eight consecutive batters before Wong fouled off the first pitch.

          Second, Joe Cool has had amazing control all year. He did not walk anyone. By the time he had walked three guys I started to realize that something was really not right with him tonight. Gio gets wild and gets out of it, stressful but expected. Ross has never been wild this year, he has had great command in nearly every start.

          Finally, the season is not a long one anymore so wins do matter. A 4-0 lead in the house of horrors is something that should be protected. Knowing that Solis is called up and a number of other guys can arrive tomorrow to help in the bullpen should mean that every weapon needs to be used to keep getting W’s.

          Again, I have been annoyed by the fire MW comments all year, but I have finally reached my breaking point. I’m not trying to pile on the guy, I just think this decision was more complicated than just a couple base runners.

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  81. natslive says:

    Good inning there Fister. Let’s get some runs now

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  82. Section 222 says:

    All the comments chastising MW are bizarre. I believe he got Fister up right after the second walk. It’s not like a former starter can warm up and come in the game in a matter of minutes. McCatty went out, Ramos went out. Both buying time.

    MW has screwed up lots of times this year, but this wasn’t one of them.

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  83. Section 222 says:

    Doug Fister is getting way too many ABs recently.

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  84. stoatva says:

    McCatty came out after ball one to Piscotty. So Matt was stuck when the wheels started to come off, until Fister could get warm. Which maybe he didn’t, quite.

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  85. veejh says:

    These guys just don’t want to win. MW is a doofus.

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  86. needanatsfix says:

    How about Rizzo makes a call to the dugout and tells Matty thanks for everything but time to hit the showers. Ross had completely lost it, everyone could see it, yet MW has nobody warming up or even stretching out. I’ve thought it was ridiculous that people have been wanting MW fired all year, after last night and tonight it cannot happen soon enough for me.

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    • natslive says:

      Yeah while not a big fan of MW never really thought he needed to be fired but after the last couple of nights starting to join the MW must go club

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  87. natslive says:

    WTH Fister

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  88. stoatva says:

    Speaking of dumpster fires…

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  89. Section 222 says:

    That was truly bizarre. Hope Joe is ok.

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  90. Can anything be easy? Where was the pitching coach with some wisdom? Fine giving up the 1 run but why risk 2 runs?

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  91. How’s about a trip to the mound by McCatty????? Get off your bench.

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  92. natslive says:

    Has Cat made a visit? If so I missed it

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  93. natslive says:

    Hope MW has someone up…..Ross has just lost it

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  94. stoatva says:

    Lotta pitches for Joe.

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  95. natslive says:

    MAT needs to learn to lay off those pitches….would have been nice to get another run there

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  96. I’ve been waiting an entire season for the “Run and Hit”. Ramos and Escobar are classic groundball hitters. About time to take advantage of that. Great job by Ramos.

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  97. veejh says:

    14-4 phils? OK, we need this win big time. Time to play your guts out.

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  98. stoatva says:

    13-4 Phillies. I am not making this up.

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  99. stoatva says:

    Who gave Ray the cappuccino?

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  100. stoatva says:

    Oh, Ryan u rawk.

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  101. veejh says:

    Zimmy goes boom

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  102. stoatva says:

    Sweeney clears the bases with a double. 9-4 Phillies.

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  103. veejh says:

    Tony 2 bags comes through! Woohoo!

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  104. natslive says:

    Come on TTB

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  105. stoatva says:

    Parnell walks Blanco and Ruiz to open top of sixth.

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  106. Agree with Carp, let that ball bounce and play it into an easy doubleplay.

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  107. stoatva says:

    Harang staggered in fifth. Now 6-4 Phillies with two out. Cespedes 2 run homer.

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  108. Ramos, ramos, ramos…. you should be on 2nd. Stop trying to admire your hits…

    Ugh.

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  109. stoatva says:

    News flash: Second base isn’t really “scoring position” for Ramos.

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  110. 3rd time thru the order should produce better results…

    I hope.

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  111. Yikes. Joe….. that looked like it hurt

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  112. Joe Ross is cool as the other side of the pillowStewart Scott

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  113. Gonats says:

    That is by far the coolest lineup graphic the Nats have done this year.

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  114. BTW – sad to hear about A Barrett… speedy recovery. Guess we will see him again in 2017….

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  115. I’m still not over yesterday game. So if I’m quiet, that’s why….

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  116. Gonats says:

    Please Nats please win tonight.

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  117. stoatva says:

    Phillies drop a five-spot on the Mets in the top of the third. Sorry to say I wasn’t watching.

    Maybe I should find something else altogether to do this evening.

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  118. Justin Maxwell was released by the Giants.

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  119. So which thread do I use…. this or the new site?

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  120. Ghost of Steve M. says:

    Heard that Rafael Soriano was just kicked to the curb by the Cubs. Ouch if true! Very surprised with roster expansion that they did that.

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  121. Ghost of Steve M. says:

    Big News: I have been on the new site at http://www.TalkNats.com and there is a 5 minute edit button which was asked for. We have the comments box on the top right now but now have to figure out how to get “Newest” comments on the top.

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    • senators69 says:

      Question: Would posters still log-in via WordPress on the new site? Thx

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    • Section 222 says:

      Please reconsider the “new comments on top!” It’s a nightmare if you come to a thread late. Just impossible to review a thread and catch up. We’re all used to the NI format. Stick with that. Or at least take a poll?

      Hooray for a five minute edit button!

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      • 2’s they programmed the Comments Box on top and the Newest Comments on top like we have now.

        I tested comments and it Looks great! The site beautification will be the next phase. Getting better functionality was Job #1 and they’ve booked dozens of programming hours for just a few fixes.

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        • Section 222 says:

          I’m sure it looks great. I’m just telling you that as a commenter who sometimes gets home at 9 pm, and wants to catch up on a game thread before participating, it’s a nightmare. You said I’d get used to it, but I tried and I’m not. You have to scroll up from the bottom to read comments and try to figure which are Tier 1 comments, then scroll back down to read replies. It doesn’t work for me and I’m less likely to participate if it stays that way.

          I’m still trying to figure out why anyone thinks it’s better except if they are too lazy to scroll down to the bottom to comment. That seems like a weak reason to change the way we’ve all been used to reading and commenting since NI started.

          IT would another thing if, like Wash Post NJ, you could choose whether to read the newest comments first or oldest comments first. But someone said early on that’s not an option because it costs too much.

          Just my two cents.

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          • The earliest comments we got was from people who wanted Newest first but when we go to Disqus you can toggle how you want to view between newest and oldest.

            Phase 2 is temporary to an improved WordPress site.

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          • Just my own two cents, but if I come in at the fifth inning and choose to read 100 comments (or whatever), I find it takes me about the same amount of time, no matter where I start. And if I’m on a keyboard, navigating top to bottom, or vice versa, is one or two keystrokes, depending on what OS I’m on at the time. So for me, I don’t really care either way. It just takes getting used to, because my brain is now trained to Oldest First.

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          • Section 222 says:

            I’m impressed Sofa that you can reverse course so easily. Because if you’re navigating bottom to top, you have to go up and down in order to read the replies. But if you go top to bottom (oldest to newest) you’re always traveling in the same direction.

            Luckily, the programming geniuses have figured out how to give us a choice, which means you and I won’t have to argue about this anymore. 🙂

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          • stoatva says:

            I’m still trying to figure out why anyone thinks it’s better except if they are too lazy to scroll down to the bottom to comment.

            I’d ask you why having to scroll through the same two or three hundred old comments every time you refresh is somehow better, but it doesn’t matter because disqus, for all its faults, gives you the option so everyone can suit his or her self. Also, realtime notification of new posts when it’s working properly, as it sometimes does.

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          • Section 222 says:

            Oh that’s cool. Good news. Thanks.

            As for “scrolling” through 200 comments, just FYI, if you go to the right hand side of the screen there’s a vertical bar right where that arrow for scrolling is. You just click and hold it and drag to the bottom. Usually takes about .042 seconds to drag to the bottom. 🙂

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  122. Ghost of Steve M. says:

    Ray, nice post! Nats are now desperate for a win.

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    • senators69 says:

      Yes, a win indeed, which should have come last night!
      So today, to paraphrase Simon and Garfunkel…
      “Here’s to you, Joe Cool…the Nats nation turns its weary eyes to you.”
      or something like that…

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